Rick Santorum: Separation Of Church And State A Communist Idea, Not An American One

By Brian Tashman | 1 December 2014
Right Wing Watch

Rick Santorum

In a conference call with members of right-wing pastor E.W. Jackson’s STAND America that was posted online today, former senator Rick Santorum disputed the existence of the separation of church and state in the U.S. Constitution, dismissing it as a Communist idea that has no place in America.

A listener on the call told Santorum that “a number of the things that the far left, a.k.a. the Democrat [sic] Party, and the president is pushing for and accomplishing actually accomplishes a number of the tenets of ‘The Communist Manifesto,’ including the amnesty, the elevation of pornography, homosexuality, gay marriage, voter fraud, open borders, mass self-importation of illegal immigrants and things of that nature.” The likely presidential candidate replied that “the words ‘separation of church and state’ is not in the U.S. Constitution, but it was in the constitution of the former Soviet Union. That’s where it very, very comfortably sat, not in ours.”

Of course, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, among others, referred to the separation of church and state when explaining the amendment which they drafted.

Later in the call, Santorum continued to lecture President Obama on race in America, telling Jackson — who once criticized a desegregation plan as “social engineering” — that Obama harmed race relations and, ironically, failed “to do something transformational.”

“When you cavort with Al Sharpton, you certainly aren’t into racial reconciliation, that sort of sums it up right there,” he said. “You surround yourself with folks who are not healers but dividers, this president has been the divider-in-chief on so many fronts. You had hoped, as you mentioned, Bishop [Jackson], you hoped that on this front it was an opportunity for the president to do something transformational, that he could’ve been that figure that could’ve made a real difference in racial reconciliation, could’ve made a real difference just within the black community and he chose to take a different path, he chose to use it as a wedge issue as opposed to an issue that was one that he said he wanted to accomplish when he was going to heal the country. He has done anything but.”

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    • Actually, I live in Canada and there is no official separation of church and state here, nor in any other nation which has Queen Elizabeth as its Head of State. (The Queen is also the Head of the Church of England.)

      But what do we Canadians know? After all, nobody wants to come to Canada to live. (Oh wait…) Also, our Constiution isn't being used as the gold standard for new nation building. (Oh wait…)

    • Ha, yes. The idea of the separation of church and state originates with St. Augustine's City of God (who would cite Christ's "render unto Ceasar…" as a source), was then picked up by Reformation theologians like Martin Luther members of dissenting groups, and then established as a legal and political principal by the US founding fathers.

      So that means Christ, St. Augustine, Luther, and G. Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin were all communists.

  1. Yeah, well I’m throwin’ in with Chaz. Not because he’s my kid. Not because his writing style, grammar and punctuation are correct. Not because he has prevailed in a silly argument with puerile posters. I happen to agree with his logic. (Actually, that is quite rare)

    Check out the most famous American Atheist Madalyn Murray O’Hare. (I capitalized it, just like any other religion). I believe she was involved in a not-for-profit organization called American Atheists. Their credo was belief in “fellow man,” not “G-d.” Hey, that’s great. Certainly belief in “fellow man” qualifies as a religion. If not, how did they qualify as a not-for-profit?

    Anyway, any attempt to consider the differences between atheism and anti-theism is healthy. It’s kinda like trying to decide who has the weirder hair, Richard Dawson or John Kerry. Or wait, could it be the same hair? Atheists claim they know what is real and what is not real. It walks like a duck just like any other religion.

    • " If not, how did they qualify as a not-for-profit?"

      Well, that was bizarre. Lots of things qualify as non-profit organizations without being a religion. Like, for example, ALL THE NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT AREN'T RELIGIONS. "Doctors Without Borders", for example, is an non-profit organization. The qualifying condition to be a non-profit organization is not being a religion, but — wait for it — you'll never guess — it's being an organization that doesn't make a profit.

    • Atheism is not a religion, and could not be possible without theism. Atheist are a product of god fearing organizations. Unlike Christians catholics Jews etc atheist do not claim to have the one right answer instead we offer an outside opinion to help reveal the lies of a great con man with facts, never do we suggest opinions to such. We know the difference between reality and a contradional fairy tale, and only ask for others to listen and argue to come to some real life analysis of the greatest scam of all time. I am only an atheist because religious groups deemed me so. No theist no atheist.

      • A religion is a group of people with the same set of fundamental beliefs[in the existence or nonexistence of a higher power]. The bracket section is my own. The 2 are the same much like the words famous and infamous mean the same. Either word means a person popular. One is just positive and the other negative(or opposite). I'm not saying one is good or bad. I'm just attempting to clarify Peter's point.

      • Yes it is a religion. The preach as much as anyone else on their belief of nothing. IT is a belief and there is no proof that it is nothing but a belief.

        • No. The only thing atheists have in common is a lack of belief in any gods. That’s it. As one very good description puts it, “Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.” There are atheistic religions, but atheism, in and of itself, is not one.

        • Barb, you could have simply looked up the definition of the word.
          But many of those who believe blindly in religion are so sure of what they believe, so sure everything they believe it is true, they are not too fond of evidence and facts and reality.

          The difference between atheists and religious believers, other than the atheist does NOT believe in gods, is the unending quest for truth and reality and evidence by the atheist. They tend to be more scientific.

          And FAR less gullible. Atheists aren’t sheeple, whereas most who believe in religions are.

          I would go so far as to say that many who believe in religions are AFRAID of facts that contradict their beliefs! Their worldviews are so shaky and tenuous, that any and all contradictory facts that prove their religion is false or aspects of it are untrue, tend to frighten the hell out of them. So they get angry and scared and deny those facts, rather than change their beliefs to fit reality.

          That’s sad. It’s also psychotic: “having or relating to a very serious mental illness that makes you act strangely or believe things that are not true : relating to or suffering from psychosis” ~ i.word.com

    • You are sadly mistaken grasshopper. Atheism is not a religion. It is a rational school of thought that rejects the existence of gods since there is no evidence that they exist. FYI, you do not have to be a religious organization to be a non profit/not-for-profit. I belong to a number of organizations that have non profit status and are tax exempt. These include the VFW, DAV, 20 Year Military Club, Sierra Club, the Freedom From Religion Foundation, etc.

    • I can tell you have tried your best to sound smart. But it has only ended up making you sound more dogmatic and impervious to logic.

    • I believe that walking in front of a moving train will result in my death.

      Does this "belief" make NOT walking in from of trains a religion,

      You, my friend, need to research the "equivocation fallacy", and stop using it, immediately.

    • Gosh a truly slack-jawed comment. REALLY? You don't understand the concept of not for profit? You've been slammed by many here for your mental deficiency and I'm just adding my voice.

  2. Atheism is not a religion. Its the lack of belief in one.

    To say that atheism is a religion, is to consider your television to be on a channel when it is, in fact, turned off.

    • Religion is a group of people with a common set of beliefs [in the existence or nonexistence of a higher power]. I made up and added the bracketed portion to the definition to make a point. Believing in God and not believing in God are still religious beliefs making atheism a religion by definition.

      • It is quite possible to have a religion with no god or gods. But being an atheist has nothing to do with being a religion. You may elect to have your own definition, but not your own facts.

        atheism, a-theism, non-theism, without-theism, meaning no belief in a god or gods. Note: This does NOT mean that all atheists believe there is no god or gods, just that there is no evidence for any of them, so they do not believe in any god or gods.

        I'll stick with the words of C. Hitchens – "An assertion made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." That does not mean I can "prove" there is no god. I have no interest in doing so. But it does mean that I don't "believe" in a god or gods unless you can provide some evidence.

        • The word you’re looking for is ‘agnostic’. Atheists believe there ISNT a God. Agnostics believe there is no proof of its existence or non-existence.

          Rod’s claim below is accurate. ATHEISM is a religion, by definition. Agnosticism is not.

          • Agnosticism, in reference to religion, is the assertion that we can not know whether there is a supernatural existence. Most people who claim to be agnostics, are happy just saying they don’t know and it’s just not that important to them to argue the minutiae. BTW, you can be agnostic about anything – not just religion

            Atheism is simply the claim that there is no reason to believe in a supernatural realm, particularly one led by an interventional god(s). Most atheists will tell you that if proof appeared that god(s) existed, they would start believing. However, this is almost entirely impossible, by definition. Atheism is not a belief in anything. Furthermore, atheists, in aggregate, have almost nothing in common with each other, other than not believing in a theistic God, and therefore, can not be considered a religion by any definition.

          • Wrong. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. There's a difference. And you can be an agnostic atheist (like I am). The two positions are not mutually exclusive, as one (atheism/theism) is about belief, and the other (agnosticism/gnosticism) is about knowledge.

            AA: I don't know if gods exist, but I don't believe gods exist.
            GA: I know gods don't exist, so I don't believe gods exist.
            AT: I don't know if gods exist, but I believe gods exist.
            GT: I know gods exist, so I believe gods exist.

      • What dictionary are you using? You have not defined religion, you have defined "group". Here is the definition of religion:

        "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods."

        Even your own definition falls apart, as "not believing" in something is, by definition, not a belief!

        • You can’t fix stupid. Not even with facts and reality. People who believe in religions also believe lots of things with no evidence, and believe in things for which there is plenty of evidence against the belief. You just ran into one of those. Again, you cannot fix stupid.

      • Uh, no. Religion is "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods." Atheism is exactly not that. Calling atheism a religion demonstrates a profound ignorance of at least one of those terms…

    • Atheism, read the word, WITHOUT GOD. Buddhism, it it's original form has no deity. Therefore one of the worlds most recognized religions is actually a practice of Atheism. The Dali Lama now refers to buddhism as a life philosophy instead of a religion.

      Many Buddhist sects recognize Gods. Typically these Gods are remnants of previous religions practiced prior to adopting Buddhism. Often earth based Gods, tree gods, animal gods, etc.

      • " Buddhism, it it's original form has no deity. Therefore one of the worlds most recognized religions is actually a practice of Atheism. " <—– no, Buddhism is a religion. It is what is known as a "non-theistic religion".

        Of course Atheism is a statement of faith, since you have no proof that there is no God (note that "God" includes ALL interpretations thereof, including the ancient Greek and Roman gods, all monotheistic religions, all non-theistic religions, etc.). You have faith in the absence of any kind of greater purpose to the universe/multiverse/laws of physics.

        Anyway this sub-thread is off topic; we're all on here because we agree that Santorum is a dumbass and people who think like him should have less influence on the American government and public life. :)

      • I am sorry but Buddhism is only considered a religion by non-Buddhist. It is considered by practitioners as a way of being and being connected with the world in which we live. By definition, religion requires a deity in which to believe in and Buddhism has no such thing. btw – I am not a Buddhist and was raised Southern Baptist.

    • Saying atheism is a "lack of belief" is a semantic game that atheists play to pretend that their worldview is better than everyone elses'.

      Sorry buddy… Your belief system is just that… just one more belief system.

    • Dane is quite right. Atheism is a lack of belief. It is not a belief system. Therefore, atheism is not a religion.

      Religion can, however, be defined rather broadly. Like Buddhism (and unlike atheism), humanism is a belief system. Humanism might be considered a religion by some, and there is, in fact, a Church of Spiritual Humanism. Unitarians commonly consider themselves humanists. Humanism can be either secular or religious humanism, but it is a human-centered rather than God-centered framework of values.

  3. The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.”
    -James Madison

  4. Huh? that “the words ‘separation of church and state’ is not in the U.S. Constitution.
    The "words" "is"?

    • 'Separation of Church and State" is from an 1802 letter of Thomas Jefferson that the Supreme Court ruled "may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment" during "Reynolds v. United States" in 1879.

      • Tony, Martin is pointing out a grammatical error. The text, independent of accuracy, should read “words” “are”, or “phrase” “is”, not “words” “is”.

  5. Where have these politicians been all their lives. I think every politicians should have yearly classes in American history and ethics.

  6. I guess that Thomas Jefferson was a communist eh Rick Santorum?

    "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."- Thomas Jefferson in his letter to Danbury Baptist
    Association, CT

    "Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law." -Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Dr. Thomas
    Cooper, 1814

    Paragraph II of the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom, written by Thomas Jefferson and signed into law and is still in effect to this day:

    II. Be it enacted by the General Assembly, that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods

    • Ya know, this statement is from someone that saw religion go terribly wrong in his lifetime and was trying desperately not to see it repeated in ours. Why don't we listen?

    • Nice job of twisting the facts.
      Santorum said "separation of church and state" is NOT in the Constitution. None of the quotes you site are the constitution, are they? Therefore Santorum is correct in his statement.

      The problem here is that the phrase "separation of church and state" has been misconstrued to justify something it never meant. The founders believed in a separation to the extent that there would be no OFFICIAL sect of religion endorsed by the government. But none of them favored removing God and a belief in him or in basic Christian ideology from all public life, which is what is advocated from all the "separation of church and state" idiots.

      • “The problem here is that the phrase “separation of church and state” has been misconstrued to justify something it never meant. The United States Supreme Court begs to differ.

      • Then why is there no mention of God in the constitution? As much as you seem to enjoy semantics, it remains clear that the founders believed that healthy government can only be achieved with the church on a short leash.

  7. All religions are man made construct Derived be theists for power and control on this earth and not in another dimension therefore I am an anti theist and a free thinker and atheist
    only two thing are finite Human stupidity and the universe and I am not that sure about the second
    It goes without saying in a free democratic society religion should play no part in the political process we don not wish to be dictated to by religious bigots

    • You are simply incorrect. There are many so-called "religions" that are invented by men for the purpose of gain and control. But not ALL.
      And proper government cannot exist without a basic moral foundation, and said foundation comes from God. The very core structure of our own legal system comes straight from Judeo-Christian ideology, that is until it became corrupted by atheists and false theists alike for their own purposes.

    • But true faith will eventually lead to true religion. Just keep following your faith and God will provide the truth. Many so-called religions are manmade, and those need to be avoided, but there is one true church of God that is necessary to fulfill ones faith.

    • I respect you for your belief. Don't feel the same way but appreciate your openness. I don't have religion or faith. As a child, my Southern Baptist God made Yahweh look like a pretentious wanna-be.

    • Morality doesn’t come from “god”. Such a statement was made up by religionists.

      I can be moral and not have belief in “gods”. Look at China: Confucianism, for instance, was invented by, well, Confucius, and it is the still largely prevalent moral system in that country. And though it may have some supernatural elements, he created a system that incorporated them- not the other way round.

      All thatis requires for morality is for people to agree on what is moral and what is not; what is “right” and what is “wrong”. As such, any conceivable idea or behaviour can become a moral system.

  8. The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." ~ FOUNDING FATHER John Adams 1797 ~ "The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.” ~FOUNDING FATHER James Madison
    "When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis ~

    • While I agree wholeheartedly with the quotes, Sinclair didn't actually say that or use that phrase in his book people misquote all the time. But it was the theme…

    • “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” — FOUNDING FATHER John Adams, 1798
      So obviously your opinion is not definitive.

      And lets throw in another Madison quote just to get his COMPLETE thoughts on the topic. He was not anti-religion, he was anti-government-sponsored religion. But he always believed in God and that basic moral principles were necessary to a happy population.
      "It was the belief of all sects at one time that the establishment of Religion by law, was right & necessary; that the true religion ought to be established in exclusion of every other; and that the only question to be decided was which was the true religion. The example of Holland proved that a toleration of sects, dissenting from the established sect, was safe & even useful. The example of the Colonies, now States, which rejected religious establishments altogether, proved that all Sects might be safely & advantageously put on a footing of equal & entire freedom…. We are teaching the world the great truth that Govts do better without Kings & Nobles than with them. The merit will be doubled by the other lesson that Religion flourishes in greater purity, without than with the aid of Gov." [James Madison, Letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822,

      • "The merit will be doubled by the other lesson that Religion flourishes in greater purity, without than with the aid of Gov. " This seems to pretty well sum up the importance of separation of church and state for the good of religion if not for the good of government.

    • Thomas Paine might have been considered a Marxist if Marx had been around yet. Read his later prose penned during the French revolution.

  9. Other words NOT in the Constitution : capitalism, corporation, christianity. What IS in the Constitution? A prohibition against any official recognition of, or favoritism for religion, as well as a prohibition against religious tests for elected office.

    The Constitution IS a FIREWALL against theocracy.

  10. This idiot never learned the words of our Founding Fathers: . ”Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship…I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between church and State.” — Thomas Jefferson.

  11. I don't know which is scarier: that Santorum might actually believe those words, or that he will say anything to get elected.

  12. 257."The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses. . . Thirteen governments thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery…" John Adams “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788

  13. Fortunately all Santorum is, punchlines and the Dan Savage definition aside, is a commentator and not an elected official or candidate with a viable chance to win any significant office.

  14. Rick Santorum and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops say that there's a war on religious freedom going on in this country. And, you know what? They're absolutely right. Religious extremists are doing everything in their power to destroy the wall between church and state. They want to use their religious beliefs to restrict the rights of everyone.
    As recent events have made frighteningly clear, too many of our le. Religious freedom is about protecting people of all faiths, not imposing the values of some on the rest of us.”” true religious liberty depends on the strict separation of church and state.”

  15. Just for clarification: the word “religion” comes from Latin “religio,” meaning nothing but “belief” — whatever this may be… The Latin term “religio” comes from “relegere”: “re-” (“again” or “back”) and “legere” (“to read, collect, select”). In that sense, “religion” means something like “recollecting and coming to a conclusion,” the result of which is a “belief.” Therefore, it applies to whatever you believe in: theism, atheism, capitalism, communism etc.

  16. THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST IS THE SPIRIT OF PUBLIC SERVICE – any other spirit is evil. Restore CHRIST AND STATE – here is how – articleviii.wordpress.com

  17. 23This country was founded on cooperation of church and state. I can give any number of quotes from the founders also that support the COOPERATION of government and the church.

  18. He needs to really learn some history first. Because none of the 2 things or several things he said match to that same era or just does not make any sense to what he is saying.

    Which is why i say put that bible down on the floor and grab a real book specially a history book.

    This country was formed at the end of the 1700's Lenin came to power in the early 1900's and along with the new idea of communism.

    And someone else here in the comments beat me to it but i will repeat it…….The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.”
    -James Madison

  19. If you listen to Rick Santorum and his ilk carefully, you will realize that they are essentially the voices of a Christian Taliban…who advocate using the government to impose their conservative beliefs (that in large part they are not actual Christian beliefs)…

  20. First of all, you have to know the context of Kennedy's speech.
    People at the time were afraid to elect a Catholic to the presidency because they thought he would be controlled by Catholic doctrine in doing his job as president.
    He wanted to emphasize that this was not that case, and that he understood the Founders' concept of the separation of church and state, which exists so that the U.S. can be a country of many nationalities and faiths, not just one.

  21. The words "separation of church and state" are not in the constitution. However, anyone who can read and comprehend the words there will understand that is what was intended. Amendment I states: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;….We, the people and the courts boiled that down to separation of church and state.

  22. Please allow me to comment that Rick Santorum seems to be a twisted parody of christianity. He seems to be on the spectrum, bright but disconnected from what the rest of call reality. I. Will. Not. Vote. For. Him.

  23. I guess "Little Rickey" doesn't believe Thomas Jefferson was one of our founding fathers and was just a communist? “…legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.”
    ― Thomas Jefferson, Letters of Thomas Jefferson

  24. JFK was a Communist? “I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute – where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote – where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference – and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

    I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish – where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source – where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials – and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

    [Remarks to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association, September 12 1960]”
    ― John F. Kennedy

  25. From Wikipedia – " Thomas Jefferson, the third President of the United States, whose letter to the Danbury Baptists Association is often quoted in debates regarding the separation of church and state.

    In English, the exact term is an offshoot of the phrase, "wall of separation between church and state", as written in Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. "
    I'm pretty sure the Communist Party was not around in 1802.

  26. Senator Rick Santorum is an expert at propaganda and misinformation. He is promoting the fascist viewpoint that separation of church and state is a traitorous stand. True freedoms extend beyond fiscal and civil freedoms; to have complete freedom a nation must extend religious freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of conscience. In the upside down and backwards world of political elites, they prefer a nation that restricts all freedoms for the benefit of the citizenry.

    Such politics are damaging to the nation.

  27. The term Communist is obviously idiotic, and it’s not what people like Santorum really mean. Rick is actually too afriad to say what he really thinks in this case. He would rather sound like a third grade idiot by using the word Communist instead of “Freemason” or “Illuminati” when describing people who set up the concept of the separation of church and state; people like Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and Benjamin Franklin. To use the real terms would blow the lid off a lot of things, including the belief that we were founded as a “Christian” nation. Like the Knights Templar, the Masons and the Illuminati are the historic boogeymen of the Catholic Church, and just to mention them is to give them undeserved validity.

    One of the first actions Hitler did when he took over in Germany was to shut down the Masonic lodges across the country. Imagine what people who think like Santorum would do here if they took over. Once in control, their descriptive language would change dramatically, and it would be quite frightening.

  28. The Separation Of Church And Hate:

    There is a good reason why Church and State must always remain separate. Let’s get something straight, right from the start: A theocratic state is not a free state, and never will be. I’m sure it was never Jesus’ intention nor was it His will that anyone should be dominated in His name, the name of Christ. That is the will of men. To be accurate, the concept in itself is anti-Christian. You can only follow Christ by choice, not by legislation.

    It seems some people are more intent on casting stones at perceived sinners than propagating the love of Christ. ~ “Above all else, I command you love one another”. ~ This was the message that Jesus preached, and as far as I can see, the worth of a soul will only be measured as such. But I can assure you of one thing, when your time of judgment comes, you won’t be asked to recite scripture, but rather, if anything, the question will be; did you get the message and live by it?

    For all of you people out there on the religious right, you should try to remember that looking for sins to condemn, and people to persecute in the name of God, is simply Satan’s way of keeping you from seeing what is good and praiseworthy. It’s Satan’s favorite means of deceit; getting people to hate and kill each other in the name of God and Christ Jesus. Twisting scripture to incite hatred and division.

    Understand this; that by doing so, you are defaming the name of Christ, associating Jesus with bigotry and hate. Jesus was never cursed with these feelings, these sins that you commit in His name. It’s widely agreed that He rose above it all, and to use His name for the justification of spreading contempt and hatred for anyone is true heresy. It isn’t Pro-Christ by any means, but clearly Anti-Christ.

  29. I guess that means Thomas Jefferson and other founders were Communists. And I guess I'm one, too. Actually, I think Communist regimes would rather do away with religion all the way, not just separate it.

  30. HOW is this communist? This man and everyone like him really are a VERY special kind of DUMB!! There should NEVER be an church involvement in politics!! GOD or whatever sky fairy you chose to fear should have NO influence or involvement in STATE or FEDERAL politics ANYWHERE in the world!!

  31. This man is simply an idiot. And 90 % of the Americans wanted a separation. Conclusion: 90% of the Americans are communist!!!!!!!!!!

  32. I’ll just leave this here..

    To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

    Gentlemen

    The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

    I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

    Th Jefferson
    Jan. 1. 1802.

  33. religion (n.) Look up religion at Dictionary.com
    c. 1200, "state of life bound by monastic vows," also "conduct indicating a belief in a divine power," from Anglo-French religiun (11c.), Old French religion "piety, devotion; religious community," and directly from Latin religionem (nominative religio) "respect for what is sacred, reverence for the gods; conscientiousness, sense of right, moral obligation; fear of the gods; divine service, religious observance; a religion, a faith, a mode of worship, cult; sanctity, holiness," in Late Latin "monastic life" (5c.).

  34. This Rick Santorum guy gives our constitution about as much reading and understanding as his own Bible (aka, he probably hasn't read either).

    Further… I doubt he knows what a communist is.

  35. So easy to refute :

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/04/35-founding-father-quotes-conservative-christians-will-hate/

    The most damning evidence of a non-Christian past is a humiliating 1797 treaty with the Barbary Pirates. President Adams sought to stem unremitting Muslim raids against Mediterranean shipping and protect American sailors from African slavery. This obscure treaty submitted, “The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
    from
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2012/09/25/was-america-founded-as-a-christian-nation/

  36. The funny thing is Santorum is sucking up to evangelicals most of whom are bigoted against Catholics and have the cheek to say "oh you are not a real Christian" or "Catholicism isn't christianity". Has happened to me many times. Anti catholic bigotry is alive and well in America. It was a catholic bishop who sued to end prayer in public schools! People like Santorum willingly ignore history and plain language

  37. “If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.” ~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

    “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.” ~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut, 1802

    “The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.” ~Founding Father James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion”

  38. The “marriage” of religion and the state actually predates communism by thousands of years E.W. Jackson’s should really do a bit more research before he starts spewing off nonsense. Then again . . . religion has a tendency to go off on an uninformed tangent, don’t they?

  39. Santorum is a politician first. It’s a numbers game. His message is aimed at a large group of US citizens who are emotionally and intellectually uncertain. By his calculations this kind of rhetoric will endear him to a large group of American citizens, just as Obama, in the last election endeared himself to the other half of this country.

    “The short memories of the American voters is what keeps our politicians in office.”

    ― Will Rogers

  40. While the constitution does not have the words “Separation of Church and State”, it DOES however read “Freedom of Religion”.
    This also means that religion is NOT to be the governing body of this nation.

    no matter how many swear, curse, name call, or wish god would strike all the non-believers down, it is not healthy for any religion to be the governing body…. look what it is doing for the middle east.

    Religion is the last argument we should be having. we should be focused on EDUCATION so the masses can focus on what is important, instead of what they are told is important.

  41. The Establishment clause says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”.

    The Exclusion Clause prohibits 1) the establishment of a national religion by Congress, 2) the preference by the U.S. government of one religion over another.

    The No Religious Test Clause of the United States Constitution is found in Article VI, paragraph 3, and states that:

    The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

    Also, for religious organizations to keep their tax exempt status, they're not supposed to influence politics.

  42. A dumbass is a dumbass, no matter whether he is Senator or preacher or president. Rick Santorum fits the bill. Completely fails to understand the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States. Completely fails to understand one of the main reasons why immigration to America happened in the first place: PERSECUTION BASED ON RELIGIOUS PREFERENCE.
    FAIL in History 101.
    FAIL in Government 101.
    FAIL in Constitutional Law 101.
    FAIL in Stepping into Another’s Shoes (Jesus’s MAIN idea!) 101.
    TOTAL, UTTER FAILURE as a leader, as a former senator, as a preacher, and as a public figure.

  43. By the way, Jesus may have been the first documented socialist or communist. The Christian religion maybe the first documented socialist or communist religion. Read the words of Acts 4:32-35.

    This makes every Capitalism-loving, so-called Christian a big, fat hypocrite and fake.

  44. Santorum must have been talking about well-known commie subversives like Thomas Jefferson:

    "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties."
    ~~Letter to the Danbury Baptists, January 1, 1802

    “History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.” ~~ letter to ~~Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813

    Or maybe he was referring to that infamous pinko, John Adams:

    "Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."
    ~~A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788

    Or possibly the well-known fellow traveler, James Madison:

    “The civil government … functions with complete success … by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
    ~ Writings, 1819

  45. The Muslims and that gay illegal want America to be a Muslim country. One long hired, bearded freak said America would be a Muslim country within 2 years. Women in those costumes they wear, heads and faces covered, no make up. They can go to hell because this is America and I will never wear their garbage or live under their joke they call laws. This is what happens when you put a Muslim piece of garbage in the highest office in the country.

  46. The founding fathers were, in fact, unanimous in the support of separation of church and state. It is the only way to avoid having a "state religion" and squashing all the others. It is our best protection and deterrent to the kind of religious persecution people were stuck with in Great Britain. This politician is out of his tiny little mind..

  47. Sorry. "Separation of church and state" is not stated in the Constitution. It was in an explanation by Thomas Jefferson, describing the first amendment to the US Constitution which states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

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