Rick Santorum: Separation Of Church And State A Communist Idea, Not An American One

By Brian Tashman | 1 December 2014
Right Wing Watch

Rick Santorum

In a conference call with members of right-wing pastor E.W. Jackson’s STAND America that was posted online today, former senator Rick Santorum disputed the existence of the separation of church and state in the U.S. Constitution, dismissing it as a Communist idea that has no place in America.

A listener on the call told Santorum that “a number of the things that the far left, a.k.a. the Democrat [sic] Party, and the president is pushing for and accomplishing actually accomplishes a number of the tenets of ‘The Communist Manifesto,’ including the amnesty, the elevation of pornography, homosexuality, gay marriage, voter fraud, open borders, mass self-importation of illegal immigrants and things of that nature.” The likely presidential candidate replied that “the words ‘separation of church and state’ is not in the U.S. Constitution, but it was in the constitution of the former Soviet Union. That’s where it very, very comfortably sat, not in ours.”

Of course, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, among others, referred to the separation of church and state when explaining the amendment which they drafted.

Later in the call, Santorum continued to lecture President Obama on race in America, telling Jackson — who once criticized a desegregation plan as “social engineering” — that Obama harmed race relations and, ironically, failed “to do something transformational.”

“When you cavort with Al Sharpton, you certainly aren’t into racial reconciliation, that sort of sums it up right there,” he said. “You surround yourself with folks who are not healers but dividers, this president has been the divider-in-chief on so many fronts. You had hoped, as you mentioned, Bishop [Jackson], you hoped that on this front it was an opportunity for the president to do something transformational, that he could’ve been that figure that could’ve made a real difference in racial reconciliation, could’ve made a real difference just within the black community and he chose to take a different path, he chose to use it as a wedge issue as opposed to an issue that was one that he said he wanted to accomplish when he was going to heal the country. He has done anything but.”

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  1. To the Founding Fathers, the Thirty Years War was not ancient history, but recent history that profoundly affected how they saw the relations between Church and State. During that war, some provinces of Germany lost more than 90% of their population as good Catholics and Protestants slaughtered each other to prove what good Christians they were. That's why the Founding Fathers wanted to keep religion out of government — totally out of government at every level — and to keep government out of religion.

    In their everyday conduct, most of the Founding Fathers were uncomfortable with public displays of religiosity. Nearly all viewed religious practice as a private matter, to be kept OUT of the public sphere. Nearly all viewed religious observance as a matter of personal discretion, not a matter for government to impose upon the public.

    Moreover, the Founding Fathers were reading and discussing the best seller of the day, Gibbon's "History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" which ascribed Christianity to be a MALIGN influence upon Rome, not benign. That England had lost in war against them when led by a sovereign uniting in his person God and Country, like the ancient Roman emperors, proved out Gibbon's thesis. Uniting religion and civilization into one to run the government was then and is now unwise.

    • Wrong. They were deeply steeped in judo-Christian philosophy and wanted the PEOPLE to be free to exercise religion in private AND public with no interference from the gov’t. If your statement is true, why is DC filled with biblical figures and verses? The intent of the religious clause was to keep gov’t OUT of religion, not to keep religion out of gov’t. They believed the only way people could self-govern was to be morally strong and believed the Bible to be the way to do that. Read what Thomas Jefferson wrote when he signed the Northwest Ordinance: “RELIGION, MORALITY, AND KNOWLEDGE BEING NECESSARY FOR GOOD GOVERNMENT AND THE HAPPINESS OF MANKIND, SCHOOLS AND THE MEANS OF EDUCATION SHALL FOREVER BE ENCOURAGED. Does that sound like someone who wanted religion relegated to inside closet only? Bibles were the first textbooks in schools and until the 1960’s it was part of our national culture in all schools, public and private. The meaning of that First Amendment clause was to prevent a national church being designated that everyone in politics had to belong to, as was the case in Europe. THAT is what they were looking at and determined to prevent.

      • Mary, you are miss interpreting history. The Founding Fathers did not add all the statues and craved quotes. WASHINGTON DC did not exist at the founding of our nation. Remember Philadelphia? I would ask you to look at the funding of those statutes.
        As for using the bible in early eduation, it was the ONLY book every one had. The used it to teach reading. If teachers would have had access to Math books or Science books they would have used them.
        Twisting history to fit one’s purpose is common among extremists. JESUS never asked any disciple to be extreme. After Peter cut the ear off the Roman Soldier, Jesus healed it.
        Extremists have ruined so many beliefs. They are in the process of destroying Christianity & America. Forcing people to believe as they believe is a good sign of extremism.
        Separation of Church & State is An American belief. It has existed before communism was ever defined.
        What we need now in America is Separation of Corporation & State. We live in a Corporate Dictatorship. They gained that position by using single issue Christians. They got them to vote against their basic interests.

        • No, the establishment clause in the constitution was meant only to deny an official particular specific religion or Christian denomination as the only one that would be recognized or practiced for The USA.

      • Wrong. Read the Jefferson bible. He viewed the idea of father, son, and Holy Spirit as three beings in one, and incomprehensible to a rational mind. He stated in letters that preachers who promote this idea are frauds or charlatans. He promoted the Bible, minus the “supernatural” aspects, as the most perfect code for moral behavior ever designed by man. He wanted reason to be the guiding principle, based on Christian moral code. NOT some supernatural fraud like in the Salem witch trials. You should, as an American citizen, know your history better.

      • Escaping religious persecution from England, religion was the last thing our founding fathers wanted blended in government for all the people and by all of the people. Of course practicing one’s personal faith was encouraged by the writers. But it was never intended to be government ordained endeavor pushed by any one religious belief. To suggest anything else is foolharder. And wrong. And raises many red flags. The first of which is your intention to misinform.

  2. This dates back to 2014 and the referees to Obama as the divider-in-chief. It’s very dated article and caused me confusion which president it referred to.

  3. Yes, it is dated 5 years ago, but I did repost to point out the religious freedoms we have lost in the last 5 years.
    The article may have been written 5 years ago, but is still very relavent to understanding what is happening to Christians in America, in spite of our Constitution.

    • Agreed. Soetoro, aka ‘obama’ did as much damage to our Country as he possibly could before he left. And has CONTINUED to harm behind the scenes; Shadow Government. He & that ‘wife’ of his michael set race relations back at LEAST 40 years. We’re dealing with the aftermath now. That and all of the islamists that he imported.

  4. It's stated very simply in the 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." It's called the Establishment Claus. Idiots on the right, left, and center need to reread the first Ten Amendments of the United States Constitution is called the Bill of Rights. It protects the people FROM their government. I fear extremists on both the far right and far left. Political correctness, a left wing concept, is destroying the 1st Amendment.

  5. There’s also problems associated with giving the ‘national church’ access to an army. Surely anyone coming from England would be intimately familiar with the practice of sending soldiers to arrest blasphemers of one kind or another, certainly for practicing the wrong faith.
    The point being that each citizen is entitled to send their child to a school that presents religion to them according to the parents wishes. Even among Christian it would be impossible to present something that would work for everyone.

  6. “The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
~James Madison, 1819

    “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.”
~Thomas Jefferson

    “The American states have gone far in assisting the progress of truth; but they have stopped short of perfection. They ought to have given every honest citizen an equal right to enjoy his religion and an equal title to all civil emoluments, without obliging him to tell his religion. Every interference of the civil power in regulating opinion, is an impious attempt to take the business of the Deity out of his own hands; and every preference given to any religious denomination, is so far slavery and bigotry.”
~Noah Webster, calling for no religious tests to serve in public office, Sketches of American Policy, 1785

    “If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
    – George Washington, 1789

    “Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law. Take away the law-establishment, and every religion re-assumes its original benignity.”
    – Thomas Paine, 1791

    I could go on and on…

  7. Yes, “to prevent a national church being designated that everyone ‘in politics’ had to belong to?” Sure, if you stop with the word “everyone” — and include us citizens. Which means the government cannot fund private expressions of religion. You are not limited in your freedom to worship any way you want privately — to commune with others of like mind. You are just not allowed to push your religion on other citizens who are also allowed to worship any way they desire. I don’t understand why that is so hard for you to understand. Even if what you are saying about the founding fathers was true, it would still be wrong to combine religion and government because it would not be inclusive of all our citizens. It is as wrong as racism and not allowing women to vote. Plus, it is proven over and over again to be the path of destruction for ANY nation.

  8. Mary, you are free interpreting the Constitution, and trying to say it means something besides what it says. The drafters, primarily Thomas Jefferson, were not fools. Jefferson was especially erudite. There is no hyperbole in the Constitution. It means what it plainly says.
    The only reference to religion in the original Constitution, ratified in 1789, is Article 6: “No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” Nonetheless, seven states prohibit atheists from holding public office, in defiance of the Constitution.
    You think the Founders were stauch Christians? Let’s look at some of the things they said.
    “…the Government of the United States of America is NOT, IN ANY SENSE, founded on the Christian religion.” John Adams, Treaty of Tripoli, unanimously ratified by Congress, June 7, 1797.
    In a speech introducing the Bill of Rights to Congress, James Madison said, “The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal RIGHTS OF CONSCIENCE be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed.”
    The right to practice no religion falls under “rights of conscience”.
    Thomas Paine is quoted as saying, “My country is the world. My religion is to do good.” Not especially theistic.
    Thomas Jefferson, a very intelligent man, said, “Christianity is the most perverted system that has ever shone on man.” Ouch!, Mary! That’s not an endorsement!
    Another very intelligent man was Benjamin Franklin, a source of traditional American proverbs and maxims. And almost certainly an atheist. He said, “I have found Christian dogma unintelligible.” (Side note: Jefferson said that the only appropriate weapon against the unintelligible is ridicule.)
    John Adams was no fan of faith either. He said, “This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it.” Sounds like something an atheist might say.
    George Washington wasn’t a Christian; he was a deist. He didn’t believe in a personal god or salvation theology. He was very conservative and reserved in regards to public displays of religious sentiment. But he did grow marijuana on one of his plantations, and it wasn’t for making rope. This was my semester paper in sophomore American History, back when dinosaurs roamed the earth. In written instructions to the foreman of the plantation, he described how to tell female seedlings from male. This is unnecessary unless you want to cull the male plants, which you do when you’re growing the plants for smoking. Several sources i found said Washington himself used a marijuana tincture for the pain caused by his primative dentures.
    There are 4543 words in the Constitution, none of which are Christianity, Bible, or Jesus. The Bible, the Qur’an, the Bhagavadgita, Scientology, nor any other religious book, nor the representatives of said religions, should ever be used or appeased in the making or administrating of laws.

  9. I could not have said it better because that is exactly what is wrong with the country and the republican party don’t want it fixed because they getting their share of the money

  10. Why nobody can understand what “separation of church and state” means I have no clue! Separation of church and state was formed by the Christian founding fathers of the new United States of America to keep the church of England from dictating what religion would be allowed in the new Country. It was not meant to keep Christianity out of government! Please read your history people..

  11. Anyway they choose whether it’s Christianity
    Buddhist muslim
    On the same turn Muslim can’t come in an dictate
    How Christianity can be Muslim can’t use mosque
    For terroist activity plotting to bring down world
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  12. Mary…..
    Escaping religious persecution from England, religion was the last thing our founding fathers wanted blended in government for all the people and by all of the people. Of course practicing one’s personal faith was encouraged by the writers. But it was never intended to be government ordained endeavor pushed by any one religious belief. To suggest anything else is foolharder. And wrong. And raises many red flags. The first of which is your intention to misinform.

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