10 Common Ways Christian Fanaticism is Obstructing American Progress

By Shanna Babilonia | 10 November 2015
Myiobi

While many Christian Americans are thoughtful and productive people simply going about their daily lives like the rest of us, there exists within our country a fanatical segment of Christian followers whose ideology is tarnishing our country and obstructing our progression.

Here are 10 common ways Christian fanaticism is obstructing American progress:

1.) Deeper Division of the classes.

Although the Christian Bible quite plainly repeatedly encourages followers to help the needy and poor, many fanatical Christians seemed to have overlooked their book’s message on this subject and have instead chosen to label those who are struggling as “lazy” and undeserving of any kind of relief. This is a problematic disruption for America because instead of supporting our own improvement by helping others escape poverty, many Christians are doing the exact opposite by treating those who need our help the most with disgust and indignation. This mentality only serves to create a deeper divide between the classes of our country.

“If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be. Take care lest there be an unworthy thought in your heart and you say, ‘The seventh year, the year of release is near,’ and your eye look grudgingly on your poor brother, and you give him nothing, and he cry to the Lord against you, and you be guilty of sin. You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.”

~Deuteronomy 15:7-11 ESV

It is not only ethical for us to treat our fellow citizens with dignity (regardless of their current circumstances), but it benefits us all when we work to find ways to help those who are struggling improve their livelihood, rather than shaming them and banishing them to a life of scarcity. When we help one another, we improve the overall experience of our society, because we create productive citizens who are capable of attaining their own abundance. When we shut them out and cast them aside, we eventually create desperate people who sometimes do desperate things. What we should be doing, whether we are believers or non-believers, is collectively seeking ways to support others in empowering themselves to reach higher standards; not besmirching their existence as our fanatical Christian political propaganda would have us do.

2.) Education – Historical and Scientific inaccuracies.

Many fanatical Christians are unable to accept historical events as they occurred and insist on altering history in order to fit their religious version of events. This mental intrusion can be seen in many spectrums of our educational system; including an array of scientific and other academic disciplines. Additionally, fanatical Christians persist in asserting that past genocides and other atrocious acts (such as Hitler’s extermination of the Jews) was not a Christian-instigated endeavor; when in fact, the comments, publications of the time, photos and speeches used in those campaigns suggest otherwise.

Even more disturbing is the fanatical Christian (specifically Christian Revisionist) effort to alter public educational instruction so that America’s youth are taught that our nation was founded on Christian principles, rather than the secular values of our founding fathers. This is a problem because many American Christians are not even cognizant of the fact that our original money and pledge never mentions God, nor are they aware that, although many of our founding fathers were men who believed in a god, they were not Christians at all and found the Christian Bible and religion completely oppressive and abhorrent.

“Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.”

~Founding Father George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792

Our founding fathers were free-thinkers of the enlightenment and in fact, a primary reason in them establishing this country was to flee the oppression of their theocratic Christian homeland. In reality America has always been a secular nation from its inception – a fact fanatical Christians want Americans to forget by amending history to fit their agenda.

3.) Climate change denial.

Many fanatical Christians are living in denial of the obvious changes happening in our natural environment. This is a dilemma that affects everyone on this planet and must be addressed expediently; or we will all suffer by our own inaction. Rather than working together to improve the health of our planet, many fanatical Christians have chosen to delay the process of expunging our world of harmful toxins and human practices in favor of debating whether climate change actually exists. This ridiculously profound waste-of-time and tax-payer funds is an impediment to Americans using our time wisely to improve our habitat – and thus our own health and human experience. 

Truthfully, whether climate change exists or not is irrelevant to whether we should be working to improve our natural environment. Is it really necessary that we confirm that our world is suffering in order to comprehend that treating our planet with respect is always the right course of action, regardless of whether the climate is actually changing? Shouldn’t we be consistently working to improve the health of our world and using clean and efficient resources to power our planet? Why must we debate common sense?

4.) Religious voting.

Those we elect as the leaders of our nation – who create the laws we all must abide by – is a serious matter. However, many fanatical Christians are not as concerned with a candidate’s ability to effectively perform the duties of their office in a way that serves the people’s interests as they are with the religious belief structure that the candidate chooses to follow. This is an extremely concerning trend that enables leaders to hold positions in this country that empower them to oppress citizens with regulations that benefit their specific religion, irrespective of how those citizens who do not agree with Christian principles will be affected. In fact, that is the intention of fanatical Christian politicians and their electorate – to turn this country into a Christian state where we are all obliged to follow Christian principles of morality and “freedom”.

“We should begin by setting conscience free. When all men of all religions shall enjoy equal liberty, property, and an equal chance for honors and power we may expect that improvements will be made in the human character and the state of society.”

~Founding Father John Adams, letter to Dr. Price, April 8, 1785

This is a grim conundrum for countless Americans, because for those of us who follow other religions, or no religion, the threat of Christian theocratic rule is real. It is disturbing when we comprehend what will happen to our freedoms if religious voters and the politicians who lead them are successful in turning our country into an oppressive, religious, legal nightmare.

5.) Ineffective Sexual Education.

For decades, fanatical Christians have denied the reality of sex in the human experience by restricting access to comprehensive sexual education for our young citizens. They have done this by implementing (and even using tax dollars to fund) abstinence only programs that simply don’t work. In fact, they can have a detrimental consequence because when we deny our youth of necessary sexual education, many of those youths enter into adulthood ill-prepared for the accountabilities of sexual activity; while also leaving them uninformed of safe sexual conduct.

Abstinence only programs are completely ineffective and generally only serve to delay sexual activity by several months, rather than its intended result of preserving virginity until a marital relationship is established. Furthermore, young people who are deprived of comprehensive sexual education in favor of abstinence only teachings (and follow those instructions) often marry earlier than their educated peers as they are convinced that sexual activity is only suitable within the confines of a marital relationship. This can lead to the young person to marry from a place of biological sexual frustration rather than a genuine mental decision – certainly a situation that is not beneficial to any party involved.

Additionally, it only stands to reason that if Christians oppose abortion, they must be willing to support the alternative – contraception methods – something taught in comprehensive sexual education. It is unrealistic to expect that a human youth will, in fact, wait until a marital relationship is established to engage in sexual activity – because most don’t, regardless of their original lessons about sex. Sexual education is not only beneficial to overall health of all involved by making people more informed about safe sexual practices, but it is essential for those who oppose abortion to support a resource that actually helps prevent any abortion from ever becoming necessary – but, this is not what happens, because many fanatical Christians are still convinced that restricting sexual activity is effective – when in fact, it’s not; nor will it ever be as it’s in direct opposition to natural human tendencies.

6.) Televangelist con artist and the fear machine.

Turn on your television and you can easily find Christian channels full of televangelists making outrageous statements about how god is punishing our country, derogatory declarations about the LGBT community, how atheist should be shipped off somewhere else, and how the end times are upon us. Interestingly, after filling the viewers mind with fear and hatred towards their fellow citizens, they proceed by insisting on a financial offering, which many followers freely provide. Meanwhile, these same televangelist live in multi-million dollar homes, build extravagant churches and do very little to actually help those who are truly in need, all while paying no taxes to spread their propaganda and exerting huge influence over millions of American voters.

This is disconcerting as it vastly contributes to perpetuating a religious cultural fear and discrimination in our society while swindling the believer out of their hard-earned resources. At the same time, followers of these con artists are mentally persuaded that their hatred and bigotry towards their peers is justified as good moral conduct and that their ideas place them in a mental position of superiority based solely on religious contentions. This is a problem because millions of Americans rely on these religious tricksters for their religious instruction, and those teachings translate into votes for politicians whose policies affect everyone in this country.

7.) The continuation of the war on drugs.

There is an enormous problem within our prison system that has been largely understated for many decades. Our “war on drugs” is a monumental failure that has done nothing more than incarcerate addicts and perpetuate a cycle of crime; often leaving those same individuals unable to become productive members of society after they are left with a record that hinders their ability to find gainful employment. All this, while private prisons make record profits off of imprisoning non-violent drug-users, instead of helping them recover from addictions.

Many fanatical Christians (especially those Christian politicians who are in a position to influence federal and state laws) are perpetuating this problem by insisting that our failed war on drugs must remain the standard for our treatment of drug users. This is absurd because it is obvious that our current method of imprisoning drug users and addicts is highly ineffective and wildly expensive for non-profit prisons supported by tax payer funds. Yet, many fanatical Christians are against drug law reform and insist on preserving a system that criminalizes drug users rather than helping them recover from addictions and become more productive members of our society. While many of our more free-thinking politicians and citizens’ support reforming our current stance on drugs in America to a more humane and helpful program, fanatical Christians continue to obstruct progress in this area by refusing to acknowledge – and work to change – the problem.

8.) Representation without taxation.

Most religious institutions in America are exempt from paying taxes, yet Christian fanatics and politicians insist on forcing a religious Christian agenda onto the American public – all while paying no taxes to support the various financial necessities of our country. There is a reason religious institutions don’t pay taxes – because they are not supposed to be represented by our government.

“The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”

~Founding Father James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion”

Our government is explicitly discouraged from supporting one specific religion as a federal endorsement of religious concepts. Our founding fathers understood this necessity to separate religion from governmental functions in order that all may remain free to worship (or not) according to their own conscience. However, some Christian fanatics have attempted to redefine the meaning of “religious freedom” by demanding their religion be given special representation by our government, above all other religious organizations and creeds. They do this by insisting that our country was founded on Christian principles and relentless attempts to force federal laws to submit to Christian concepts.

9.) Forced Division.

If there were no push to turn this country into a Christian theocracy, to eliminate and restrict the rights of women, LGBT and other minority groups. If there were no voter fraud meant to keep progressive ideas from advancing the minds and experiences of our country’s people. If there were no Christian fight for the right to publicly discriminate against the LGBT community. If there were no obstruction of science, technology, history and sexual education, among many other issues – there would be no necessity to counter it, and therefore, less division of our population over ideas that affect us all.

Christian fanatics force this country to divide amongst itself because those who are unwilling to have their lives and thoughts religiously dictated to them through legal processes must react. It is essential that they react – because if they don’t, they will soon find themselves in a precarious situation, where the life and freedom they once knew is taken from them by a group of people whose values do not reflect their own. For this reason, our courts often uphold rulings that keep religion (all religion) out of the public square; and even then, Christian fanatics cry foul when they are unable to use their religion to dominate an entire nation and its people.

“Knowledge and liberty are so prevalent in this country, that I do not believe that the United States would ever be disposed to establish one religious sect, and lay all others under legal disabilities. But as we know not what may take place hereafter, and any such test would be exceedingly injurious to the rights of free citizens, I cannot think it altogether superfluous to have added a clause, which secures us from the possibility of such oppression.”

~Founding Father Oliver Wolcott, Connecticut Ratifying Convention, 9 January 1788

It is unfortunate that we are unable to agree on the most basic principles of many aspects of American life and freedom, but if those who don’t agree with Christian fanatics don’t speak up – who chooses? What principles reign over our country? And who then will speak for those who don’t identify with those ideas? What becomes of their rights? Their justice in courts? Their freedoms? There must be a retort in order to prevent our country from losing the freedom and unity that we as a people are fully capable of enjoying, so long as the proclamations of our founding documents are upheld.

10.) Global credibility.

Much of the developed world has already reached a perceptive and educated understanding that our religions are merely our current myths, just as our past religions were the ideas we understand as fables today. However, American Christian fanatics refuse to concede what is already palpable to much of the developed global community. Our reluctance to surrender our archaic ideas and embrace reality has left a stain on our credibility, because more informed citizens of other developed countries perceive our citizens as gullible and undereducated.

Furthermore, when our Christian leaders use their power to alter history and our educational system to fit into their religious concepts (rather than thoroughly researched and proven facts) our citizens become less equipped to compete in a world where facts, evidence and knowledge are increasingly important and necessary for global opportunity and expansion.

Christian fanatics love to live in a country where we are all free to practice our religion as we please. However, their view of “religious freedom”, truly only applies to one specific belief – their own. What their words and actions honestly exhibit, is that: we are free to worship as we choose (or not), just so long as we agree that Jesus is god, that our nation is a Christian nation and that all citizens should accept and acknowledge the Christian political, social and moral agenda.

In reality, the Christian fanatic is not concerned with religious freedom at all – they are concerned only with religious supremacy and using their religion to coerce our nation into abandoning its secular, enlightenment and free-thinking roots. Religious liberty is not achieved by enabling one religion to attain political and legal dominance over a nation; it is achieved by comprehending that one religious group must never achieve that authority.

Reprinted with permission from the author.

Shanna Babilonia is the publisher of myiobi.com, a secular personal development website focusing on internal and external improvement and empowerment. You can read more of her work at www.myiobi.com.

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28 COMMENTS

  1. Great article. However, it is irrelevant that we as Christians obstruct “American progress” because this petty existence is, after all, simply a place to wipe our feet before we enter the afterlife.

      • Because as a Christian we were commissioned by Christ (God in the flesh) to go and teach the rest of the world. Not to convert or save someone but to plant the seed the harvest is God's alone. Because WE were not given the power of salvation of others.

        • If life is so irrelevant dont bother trying to convert people. Some people might become offended by your trickery and they should be.

    • You are free to believe such childish fantasies. You are not free to force them upon our government or educational system. You may believe that your life is petty but the rest of us do not consider life to be irrelevant. We are afforded only this one short time to exist and explore the wonders of being alive. Your fear of death and indoctrination allows you to believe fairy tales about life after death, a concept which may be comforting, yet is absurd to any logical mind.

      • This article has certain truths, but also certain misperceptions. The very same that are perpetuated in Christianity.
        Most anyone who attends church pays taxes that support this nation. Much more than gangs and criminals that destroy and demolish.
        Again, full truth of Christianity is not generally told. Like there’s many topics never addressed. As violence unjustly used and those who enjoy violence aren’t of God. This I think. contrasts to sport or training. Or the necessity to train. Then, like heroi n addicts have a strong correlation to emotional deficiencies, labeling them as trash is the wrong attitude. As secularists create and feed this problem. Where if there’s others who’re genuinely concerned with others who need the help of caring adults acted and knew how to, I seriously think dysfunctional minds could be averted. But it takes genuine caring, concern as well as the ability to interact positively with troubled youth. Again, secular society and Hollywood nurtured any amount of this problem.
        Now sexuality, it’s nurtured intentionally by making apparel that captures most guys attention. Showing every groove, curve and plump areas of the body. Again, pornography and Hollywood a tantalizing dress this, in contrast to a true emotional connection and bonding.
        These are simply examples.
        Now at the same time, few are aware that the Bible or Paper Pope is simply topical and addresses most everything as a whole. It isn’t as absolute as some would lead another to believe. Again, very topical. Kind of like the soul controlling the mind and body much like the person doing such when entering and operating a car. Driver gets out the car, it don’t operate. Same way with the body. But the soul has been said to rest as sleep. Go back to God. Some are said to linger around the body. Which I know of a case where a lady heard her fathers’ footsteps after he had passed. Never have it any thought until 35-40 yrs. Later. Where come to find out, it isn’t an isolated phenomena.
        Religion doesn’t have all answers. Though it might, I’ve found corrupted ideology imposed in the Christian faith as well as others. Kind of a social/political motivation that corrupts doctrine by stigmatizing things. Say someone has very painful glaucoma. If pot alleviates the suffering well, I know something about pain and I understand the words, mercy, kindness and so does the Bible in Proverbs. Give a man of sorrows wine for this reason and a dying man strong drink that he remembers no more…….
        Common sense goes a long ways. Oh I don’t smoke pot, that’s simply a reference.
        Some churches do bread hard, heavy handed types, even greedy and stingy. Where they influence politics in a negative fashion, looking how they can get something out of someone when there’s nothing left. Then if giving it’s grudgingly. I know what you’re speaking of.
        Then as I’ve stayed several times, the Bible tells you what to do, not how to do it. Like husbands love your wife. We’ll many lack in this area, but John Gray had some insights in his book. But the ones being spoke to didn’t come out of the seclusion of the hills and already had insights as to what was being said.
        Then the forefathers of the U.S., they did believe in God, there’s many letters and things that validate this.
        Look at Russia, a Soviet state full of atheism. Religion is the opiate of the masses. Look at the millions killed by artificial famine in the name and objective of atheism. Some escaped to the U.S. Many died or killed outright.
        Before I go further, you already have a preconceptions view of God. It’s apparent. Could I ask you to look at Galatians 5: verses 24 on, as it gives an accurate portrayal of Gods’ nature. Contrasts to image presented by some as well as how Shakespearean style of writing alters accuracy.
        And you mention the responsibility to improve the earth, THAT IS CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE, just overlooked and little significance given to it. As is out responsibility to animals, birds as well. To someone of a Godly heart, the mention of the verses would be understood. But many times, that conflicts with local consensus, or money in the church. So it’s figured best not taught or maybe a preacher has already challenged other topics and got exhausted trying to convey what he’s saying or suffered too much retaliation that exhausted his means to teach in what he can’t protect hisself from.
        As water, many waters according to many fishing regulations guided from several states suggest not eating over a certain amount because of toxins. Some recommend not eating. Where at one time, in the early 20th century, fisheries were abundant. But the earth was raped of her bounty. Just like with the buffalo. Which is forbidden in the faith.
        I didn’t write for controversey, but clarification. So much has been blurred today. I’ve seen old time sermons, they weren’t fools. As they taught on things as a whole not with holding truth. Some did, but the ones I’m familiar with didn’t.
        Here again, there’s many sins that are never taught in the faith as I guess it’s insignificant to some or steps on somes toes. Like pride, arrogance, deceit, meanness, hatefulness, violence/brutishness, gossiping (which I can tell you, gossipers can cause your life to be miserable). Where if you talk with a persons’ best interest is at stake, it’s good. But spreading things that plays on others bigotry and such, Noooooo!
        Where I really think you have your views, but I think also you have a misperception of the full faith. Yes there’s sour, grouchy mean spirited types. Hard, heavy handed. It shouldn’t be. As me,yes, I’m kind of sour sometimes with a sweet side. Maybe caustic at times. But I’m, softhearted.
        Just Like I was looking at heroin addiction and it brings tears to my eyes. Where it’s ashame there isn’t enough love, mindedness and tenderness to share that can save people from desiring artificial love. Where you can’t blame them. Or they deal with severe pain, probably inside the soul. Where I ask, why hasn’t a cure been created? One tomahawk missile is a million dollars. One fighter jet or tank is probably a billion. With the great countries of the world, couldn’t each country take the money for one key and give it to and this addiction. I believe in the power of God and if God acts, I believe he can easily cure. But it seems like there’s other things going on in the spirit realm,the heavens where most things are put in the hands of people. Then war has caused people to be stripped of any humanity one may have, creating an empty dark soul, where the militaries owe it to those who’ve served.
        Then talking about N.J., where it says there’s a strong correlation of A.I.D.S. associated to herroin use. Even more reason to find a cure.
        Which I had a classmate as a teenager using heroin. She went for treatment, but what if she had contracted A.I.D.S.?
        Everyone knows how good Baptists are for going out finding people who may be interested in learning of God. Talking about people who aren’t trying to push anything in anyone, but just like if you were doing something that could get you physically hurt where someone tries to help you or properly equip you so you don’t get hurt, these people legitimately care about your soul. Where if they seen you headed for a bad alley where crimes are known to have occurred, so they’ll approach you and forewarn you so you don’t get hurt.
        Now me, I violated many stigmas. As a very young person. Where it was the stigmatized Catholics or certain ones that inspired me. For one, they treated me like a human being. Then exemplified personal qualities in themselves. But, I had an experience at a very young age that was deliberate that occurred 3x’s in conjunction with prayer that confirmed there is a God. Thing is, I never knew what to do being there is a God. The faith have me some answers.
        Now whether I make it to heaven, that remains to be seen. God’s the judge. Which I have my faults and desires that’s in opposition to what the faith teaches. Which is not wrong as even the apostles’ expressed this same fact about themselves.
        You know, say the earth is 10,000 years old. Then it was only a couple hundred years ago Ben Franklin discovered electricity. Which many couldn’t or wouldn’t perform his experiment now. But others thought such was nonsense. But with it came Thomas Edison, Alexander Bell et cetera who harnessed the energy to use it and to manifest itself. Which many people are stupid, where without these modern inventions that validates the reality of electricity, they might scoff at the idea of electricity. Yet the presence of earth suspended in space with other terrestrial objects and sophisticated biochemistry that gives life is Gods’ evidence, I didn’t say the Bible or religion, I said God.
        Which getting off subject a moment, the body has all kinds of energies running through it, electrical signals, radio signal, at cetera, which orientals/Asians knew of for a few millenia. All life has it.
        Where like crude oil is fossil fuels, I actually question the chances of electricity or magnetism being fossil fuels, made up of all the souls that have died since the beginning just like crude oil.
        Lol, can you imagine what your ancestors would think of people using their souls to power so many comforts and conveniences????
        But anyway, I just wanted to touch on a few points to remove misnomers. Where one may still not believe in God, but at least a truer image can be seen of what the faith teaches.
        Again this article makes many excellent points too.

  2. Religion of death.

    Describes all religions in a nutshell.

    When a US president is finally brave enough to announce their atheism, that's when we begin to stamp out all ridiculous religious beliefs. It is so obvious that religious belief is gullible crap for the scared and weak minded, I wonder how we hold our laughter in at their pathetic unfounded irrational ideas. Religos are the clowns of humanity.

  3. Unbelievable double-speak! America was built on Christian (Catholic, Protestant, Judaism) of Christian building blocks! Regardless of what the mainstream media, atheists, and Muslims say, it is extremely clear from reading the papers written by the founders of our Constitution and Bill of Rights that the principles of Christianity were critical considerations is forming same!

    America moved quickly in becoming one of the greatest countries on earth and it remained so for over 230 years! All while adhering to our Constitution and its underlying Christian principles! Our country started with a strong belief in Christ but an equally strong realization that the separation church and state was critical in order to avoid the abuses by church leaders in Europe, which many colonials were escaping from. The position that America is a nation formed by Christians…and formed on Christian principles…can be seen in the number of churches in the early years of the colonies. Historians estimate that during the period of 1700-1740 that approximately 75%-80% of the population attended churches!

    As might be expected, during the Revolution wounds were indeed inflicted on the Church of England because the King of England was the head of the church! Churches started to distance themselves from European churches at this time. In about 1790, after the great upheavals of the Revolution has sometime settled, Christianity once again took off during the Second Great Awakening. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, Protestants began establishing Evangelical churches that held more moderate ideas. By 1850 Roman Catholics had become the largest single denomination and this growth continued through the end of the century due to the mass immigration from Ireland, Italy, Poland, and Eastern Europe. Fears set-in the there was too much Catholic influence on our government. Over half of Union members were Catholics, with a significant additional percentage being Protestant. Starting in the 1950's the Evangelical church saw a massive growth in church building and membership.

    All of the above is mentioned to make clear the pre-founding, founding, and post-founding roles that Christian beliefs and principles had on our country. A country which grew to be the greatest on earth!!! A country of Christians!

    So what has changed?
    1. The Iraqi War was a bad situation that Americans have grown weary off and that some Middle Eastern countries adhor. (WMD's weren't found until the past couple of years.)
    2. Big money has taken over our government! (No laws that truly limit political contributions, such as PAC's).
    3. The mainstream news media no longer reports real news but instead talks about "generated/false/misleading" stories! (80% of the MNM is owned by Democrats)
    4. We have an anti-Christian, anti-military, pro-Islam President who hates America! (Elected by Democrats)
    5. No belief or respect for Congress! (Big money)
    6. Elected officials are not held accountable for breaking or not following the law. (Politics; most recent examples include IRS, Clinton, State Dept., Obama)
    7. Establishing a private army for the President (Essentially every major Government agency now has armed agents, including SWAT Teams and urban assault vehicles; billions of rounds of ammunition have been bought (enough for 15 years of Iraq War at its height; providing billions in funds and arms to local law enforcement agencies; $150 Million has been awarded to construct "civilian retention" camps; removing Apache helicopters from Guard units; and much more).
    8. Our President is not trusted (He and Clinton created ISIS, he has provided them with arms and supplies, he continues to provide for them; he supports the Muslim Brotherhood; he lied about Obamacare; he's lied about too many things to list).
    9. Increase in the number of Muslims; increased one-sided voice through the media; uninformed citizens; Liberal professors; CAIR; response of "Islamophobia" to any comments or remarks about Muslims (same as being called a racist is not agreeing with Obama).

    I believe, and I think the facts support, that the majority of the loss of the greatness of America has ZERO to do with Christianity BUT rather the LACK OF IT!!!!

  4. Being uninformed is a matter of perception and where the information is coming from. While it is true that much of the early American population was in fact Christian, it is not true that all our founding Fathers were Christians. In fact, much of them abhored the Christian faith, which is extremely evident through a comprehensive study of their own speeches, letters, publications, wording of treaties with other countries and actions. And, let's not pretend that Christianity has made this country great, because our early beginnings were plagued by horrific events and treatment of women and other minority groups that were directly linked to Christian principles. It is the SECULAR and progressive arguments and activism in opposition to Chrisitan principles that changed things for the better in our country. Without secular principles, our women would still be restricted from voting, our black citizens would still be slaves (an American historical event SUPPORTED and enabled by early Chrisitan BIBLICAL principles and their follwers). Our country was NOT so great in it's beginnings by the Christian ideas that dominated many of our citizens. Should we go back to slavery, should women be restricted from using contraceptives again, should we burn "witches" at the stake again, should we allow segregation again and keep our black citizens out of resturants and public places and only allow white people to drink from water fountains? Should we prevent single mothers from working, and then pay them a poverty wage when they do? Should we go back to unlimited work days with no breaks or days off? Should we forget about labor laws that prevent businesses from using child labor to amass profits off the backs of children? Should we forget about minimum wage requirements? Should we do away with sick leave, vacation pay and paid holidays? How about social security, medicare, unemployment or disability benefits? What about the treatment of animals and clean food and water? Do your research! Nearly EVERY thing that you enjoy today as an American citizen was NOT made great because of Chrisitan principles – it was made great in spite of them. Conservative Christians in this country have historically almost always opposed everything ever introduced into our legal process that benefits the freedom, comfort and advancement and equal rights of the American people. You can see it now today. What are conservatives blocking now? America is not great because of Christianity. It is great because of the logical, ethical and intelligent people who have worked to keep it from controlling our country.

    • Hi.
      This is a very well put together argument. It is based in reality. America started out as a refuge for all peoples, If ONLY Americans would remember something.

      "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
      With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
      Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
      The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
      Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
      I lift my lamp beside the golden door!".

      This is inscribed on the stature of liberty. The USA used to believe this. THIS is what has made the US great. I hope one day the great county that the US is, will wake up, retake the liberty it once stood for, abandon the hate and FUNDAMENTALISM that Trump is peddling, then take its rightful place at the head of the worlds table.

      I still believe in miracle's.

  5. Re #4: I would say that the threat of theocratic rule is just as much a concern for Christians who hold to strict separation of church and state as it is for those who believe in another religion or none. As example I cite the work of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation. More than 90% of their clients are Christians of "the wrong sort" (according to the fundamentalists) who are just as opposed to the oppressive tactics of the fundamentalist/dominionist/literalist cadre that has infiltrated our armed forces as are their non-Christian and atheist fellow soldiers.

  6. Amazing imaginary world some of the Christians commenting here live in. They ignore their own Bible, as well as Science , History and most anything else constructive.

    Jeremiah 2:7 ESV /Job 12:7-10 ESV

    “But ask the beasts, and they will teach you; the birds of the heavens, and they will tell you; or the bushes of the earth, and they will teach you; and the fish of the sea will declare to you. Who among all these does not know that the hand of the Lord has done this? In his hand is the life of every living thing and the breath of all mankind.
    Isaiah 24:5 ESV

    The earth lies defiled under its inhabitants; for they have transgressed the laws, violated the statutes, broken the everlasting covenant.

    And I brought you into a plentiful land to enjoy its fruits and its good things. But when you came in, you defiled my land and made my heritage an abomination.

    Revelation 11:18 ESV

    The nations raged, but your wrath came, and the time for the dead to be judged, and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints, and those who fear your name, both small and great, and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”

    Job 12:7-10 ESV

    “But ask the beasts, and they will teach you; the birds of the heavens, and they will tell you; or the bushes of the earth, and they will teach you; and the fish of the sea will declare to you. Who among all these does not know that the hand of the Lord has done this? In his hand is the life of every living thing and the breath of all mankind.
    Isaiah 24:5 ESV

    Leviticus 25:23-24 ESV

    “The land shall not be sold in perpetuity, for the land is mine. For you are strangers and sojourners with me. And in all the country you possess, you shall allow a redemption of the land.

    The earth lies defiled under its inhabitants; for they have transgressed the laws, violated the statutes, broken the everlasting covenant.

    Jeremiah 2:7 ESV

    And I brought you into a plentiful land to enjoy its fruits and its good things. But when you came in, you defiled my land and made my heritage an abomination.

  7. I came here to refute a non-biblical view that basically everything in the bible is to be read the same way.. I don't think that building an Ark in Kentucky does anything but create a 'fortified' version of God's love that I see as destructive. It's tied to white supremacy, I think. Where I differ with the author on this site is in all the other trash that has been recycled here. NO Hitler was not a Christian. He was raised Catholic but he didn't follow the beliefs of the religion. You can't be born a Christian because it is a nation of beliefs.. Beliefs do also translate to actions that's why we have the sacraments.. ie.. saying you're sorry for breaking a window is different than fixing the window.. these are two acts and though they are connected one might not lead to the other.. Much criticism has been made about Pope Pius XII about his involvement in
    WWII he has been called a help to Nazi's this is untrue.. Do a little research into the flipside of this argument. The Jewish leadership thanked Pius XII after the war.. this is very telling to me. Here is an article describing some good points of Catholic involvement during the war and reasons for, at times, holding back VOCAL criticism, even if actions were continued to help the plight of their neighbors and friends https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti

  8. The native americans are the true founding fathers, and i dont care if you think manifest destiny is a real thing. If god created this planet and you think humans should be irresponsible and trash it, go ahead. Im sure god will love you for it just like the Noah's flood story that some of you take way too seriously. Anyways, believe whatever you want to believe, because im not here to convince you youre right or wrong, I am here cause i think Christianity is a bold faced lie and that is because i was raised into it and i know it well enough to know what it truly is, the ignorance of the masses.

  9. Here is further information which backs up what you said on Item 7.) The continuation of the war on drugs.

    Most people know the war on drugs has failed. Science has spoken about this issue and proposes a science based approach to drugs. You can read about it with the link below, it's called the Vienna Declaration.

    Vienna Declaration http://www.viennadeclaration.com/the-declaration/
    * Drug policy should be based on science, not ideology.

    What:
    The Vienna Declaration is a statement seeking to improve community health and safety by calling for the incorporation of scientific evidence into illicit drug policies.

    Why:
    The world needs a new approach to dealing with illicit drugs. The primary international response to the health and social harms posed by drug use has involved a global “war on drugs” aimed at reducing the availability and use of illegal drugs through drug law enforcement.

    Failure of current system:
    In June 1998, the UN General Assembly hosted a Special Session on illegal drugs under the slogan “A drug free world – We can do it.” However, it is now clear that drug law enforcement has not achieved its stated objectives. In fact, illicit drugs remain readily available worldwide, and the previous three decades have seen drug prices continue to fall while drug purity continues to increase. –

    Needed:
    The status quo cannot be tolerated any longer: illicit drug policy must be based on scientific evidence to protect and improve the health and well-being of individuals and communities around the world.

  10. It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks because God doesn't really care about your opinion. I will say this…separation from God means that God withdraws his hand from this country. When that happens we will fall. Our Christian backbone is why we are the leaders of the free world. There are false teachers yes and people just out for money. Let God be their judge. The message stays the same. We are all sinners and we are all in the same boat when it comes to the need of a savior. That savior is Jesus Christ. When we take our last breath here on this earth will we be ready to met the Lord? If these fanatics are wrong then we will just die like a animal and nothing will happen. However, if they are right then that means the clock is ticking and we are almost out of time. For the ones who die their time is already up. For the ones still here Christ could come back at any moment. If I never read the Bible or new anything about Jesus I would take the Bible because it is the safer bet and in the end it teaches us to love one another.

  11. Religion needs to be abolished! It’s time for humankind to progress forward.

    Religion is a fear of death. Go see a therapist.

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