Retired priest: ‘Hell’ was invented by the church to control people with fear

By Koba | 2 July 2015
Urban Intellectuals

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This video is of an interview retired Episcopal bishop John Shelby Spong did with Keith Morrison of Dateline NBC back in August of 2006.

A partial transcript of the interview can be found beneath the video link:

Spong: I don’t think Hell exists. I happen to believe in life after death, but I don’t think it’s got a thing to do with reward and punishment. Religion is always in the control business, and that’s something people don’t really understand. It’s in a guilt-producing control business. And if you have Heaven as a place where you’re rewarded for you goodness, and Hell is a place where you’re punished for your evil, then you sort of have control of the population. And so they create this fiery place which has quite literally scared the Hell out of a lot of people, throughout Christian history. And it’s part of a control tactic.

Morrison: But wait a minute. You’re saying that Hell, the idea of a place under the earth or somewhere you’re tormented for an eternity – is actually an invention of the church?

Spong: I think the church fired its furnaces hotter than anybody else. But I think there’s a sense in most religious life of reward and punishment in some form. The church doesn’t like for people to grow up, because you can’t control grown-ups. That’s why we talk about being born again. When you’re born again, you’re still a child. People don’t need to be born again. They need to grow up. They need to accept their responsibility for themselves and the world.

Morrison: What do you make of the theology which is pretty quite prominent these days in America, which is there is one guaranteed way not to go to hell; and that is to accept Jesus as your personal savior.

Spong: Yeah, I grew up in that tradition. Every church I know claims that ‘we are the true church’ – that they have some ultimate authority, ‘We have the infallible Pope,’ ‘We have the Bible.’… The idea that the truth of God can be bound in any human system, by any human creed, by any human book, is almost beyond imagination for me.

I mean, God is not a Christian. God is not a Jew or a Muslim or a Hindi or Buddhist. All of those are human systems, which human beings have created to try to help us walk into the mystery of God. I honor my tradition. I walk through my tradition. But I don’t think my tradition defines God. It only points me to God.

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  1. Yes; outside U.S. evangelical Protestantism, today's biblical exegesis. (There is no fiery Hell.)

    a. In the mainline Protestant Churches—the slim majority within the nation, old-Earth creationism, btw—there is not a fiery Hell. Pascal's Wager is "so 1600s," an outdated idiom.

    b. The (Genesis) Talking Serpent or a Devil personified is an allegory, to “The evil that is in the world;” institutional disorder, dysfunction.[Gerhard von Rad]

  2. Not Believing In Hell Doesn’t Lower The Temperature Down There By One Degree?

    Not Believing In Hell Will Make It Simply Disappear Now Will It?

    Heaven Is For Real [But Unfortunately Hell Is, Too!] Luke 16:19-31.

    • That’s quite an absurd claim. That a loving God would raise billions of his creations to life after they die, just so they will burn for eternity with no chance of redemption. That kind of a claim demands evidence. Prove it.

  3. Haven't been back to this page in a while, but revisiting for followup research on a book I'm writing. As some commenters point out, existentialist Jean Paul Sartre had it right when he said, "Hell is other people."

    Taking the "lake of fire" literally from the Bible is absurd. Jesus taught using many parables and he sure wasn't suggesting that human beings are the "yeast in the dough" and yet we're meant to know that by broadening faith and actively sharing goodness in this world we're doing the right and godly thing.


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