By Donald A. Collins | 12 October 2022
Church and State

The new head of the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), President Bart Barber was interviewed on Sunday, October 9th on a segment of 60 Minutes tv by Anderson Cooper. The interview shows this genial, smiling righteous new face for this huge religious group mingling with his constituents and opining as he answered questions from Cooper.
Here are a few initial paragraphs about SBC’s clean up needs:
The 13-minute segment dealt with issues of sexual abuse in the SBC, political division in the United States surrounding former President Donald Trump, the separation of church and state, abortion, immigration and same-sex marriage.
Barber was elected as president of the convention at the 2022 SBC annual meeting in June in Anaheim, Calif.
“I believe that the Southern Baptist Convention faces some unique challenges right now. I felt like God was calling me to try to give leadership at this moment to help Southern Baptists move forward,” Barber told Cooper.
Cooper asked Barber about claims that sex abuse allegations were called into the SBC Executive Committee (EC) and were ignored by EC leaders.
“We didn’t just ignore them. Sometimes we impugned their motives, sometimes we attacked them. The reason why I’m president of the Southern Baptist Convention is because our churches do not agree with that and have taken action to correct those things,” Barber said.
Cooper reported that Barber told him about the attempts of the SBC to drive out sexual abuse.
“Bart Barber says he’s cooperating with the Justice Department’s investigation and appointed a new nine-member sexual abuse task force that’s building a registry for credible reports of abuse to help churches track predators,” Cooper said.
“I have strong feelings about this. I’m, it’s not just anger, although I’m angry about it. God called me to be a pastor when I was 11. I believe in this. For people to sully this hurts me. I’m not doing this to try to accomplish some [public relations] objective for us. I’m doing this because I want to serve God well,” Barber told Cooper in the interview.
NEW YORK (BP) – SBC President Bart Barber was a guest of Anderson Cooper on CBS’ 60 Minutes program Sunday. They spoke about sexual abuse in the SBC, political division in the United States surrounding former President Donald Trump, abortion and more. https://t.co/NoGz2eUieZ
— Baptist Press (@BaptistPress) October 10, 2022
Ironically in talking about sexual abuse in the SBC Barber neglects citing his tribe’s main sexual abuses which include like so many other evangelicals and Catholics attacking gay people and denying women abortion choice.
Barber claims the reported past claims of any wrongdoing by prior Convention leaders will be cleaned up.
Read here Cooper’s full interview text as Reverend Barber tells gay Anderson he is against gay rights as well as abortion, as presumably most of his Southern Baptists.
At least one can admire Barber’s honesty when so many others are not.
In short many religions are using their traditional powerful tools of unsubstantiated ideology, which is now not shared by over half of our citizens.
Nothing new here, as throughout history women have been dominated by men who use their phantasmal doctrines to control women.
Nuns, while admittedly self-imposed, are in effect in male Catholic bondage, US women did not get to vote until 1920, and US women are far underrepresented in government to cite here but a few examples.
About 15% of America’s hospitals are controlled by Catholics. An article about the effect of this fact is entitled “Spread of Catholic hospitals limits reproductive care across the U.S.” and subtitled, “Religious doctrine restricts access to abortion and birth control and limits treatment options for miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies”.
Read the full story here.
Catholic hospitals are growing — and banning treatments they see as “immoral” https://t.co/BTTazc80Xe
— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) October 11, 2022
Overseas of course we see worse religious tools being used against women in many Muslim dominated nations such as Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia!
However, don’t forget those US versions cited above are cut from the same cloth of tyranny.
Now as of June 24th we got the fallback tyranny of Dobbs by the wrongfully ideological Supreme Court whose new younger religious zealots will be around a long time.
Our current Inflation will decline, present gas prices will abate, especially with the rise of EV cars, but the attacks on abortion and gays by the world’s dominant religions will continue here and around the world.
That serious disruptions in global habitability will soon arise as human population growth continues from today’s 8 billion to even more unsuitable levels by 2100.
One slight glimmer of hope about appropriate religious behavior came recently from a friend whose religion, Unitarian Universalism, offers the kind of nonpolitical moral and spiritual values one should find universal in religions. Sadly, UUs numbers are decreasing while politically dangerous ones continue to attack freedom and choice.
Read his thoughts here:
I became a Unitarian in my first year of college (1948-49). We Unitarians merged with the Universalists in 1963. I have been an active member all this time. Ours is probably the most left leaning of all traditional denominations. You won’t find very many (if any) pro-lifers in our congregations. Neither are many UUs “god bothered” (my wife’s phrase). Most of us are agnostic or non-theistic (I don’t say atheistic since that seems to me to imply a sort of aggressive denial of the existence of god/gods, a la Madeline O’Hare). We are simply more interested religiously in good works than in theology.
But we too are experiencing membership loss. Younger people are not attracted to any sort of organized religion, no matter how liberal.
To me it is sad, because UUs have traditionally been an effective force for positive social action in civil rights and in many other ways. Our congregation is elderly. We continue to be able to exist because we are quite well funded and we are, as we say (my term), a lonely beacon of liberal religion in my home county.”
Would that my friend’s UU’s might invade the consciousness of those Evangelicals and right wingers who support the corrupt Trump to keep political power using their prolife and anti-gay beliefs to keep their tyranny going.
All abortions should be unencumbered by any laws beyond citing medical malpractitioners who serve women whose wish terminations any time during their pregnancies, until they delivery of their babies. Abortion as before noted here is a personal health issue only, now lost in religious tyranny.
November 8th’s outcome will likely tell us much about the future of our republic, including about women’s reproductive rights.

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“From the Dissident Left: A Collection of Essays 2004-2013”: https://t.co/lkC2t3E1A9 pic.twitter.com/bQsL2mLBcO— Church and State (@ChurchAndStateN) November 1, 2021
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